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Den5Pack457
11-18-2007, 02:21 PM
A lot of good packs and dens, with good boys, fold due to lack of adult support. A pack is only as strong as the adults who facilitate and lead the program.

My first Den was no exception. Our Den Leader was an older brother of one of the Weblos. He was really proactive for the first two months, then stopped attending less and less, to the point where he stopped showing up. We were an overflow Den of new scouts and transfers from a school that closed. So, when they merged us in with an existing Weblos Den, we felt ostrisized. They had been together, as a Den, since they were Wolves, and where a tight knit group.

Even in my current Pack, last years Tiger Cub Den Leaders quit in February. Luckily, three of the Adult Partners took over to see their Sons complete the program.

I know we have a lot of barriers that hold us, as parents, back from becoming registered adult leaders. But, I implore ALL PARENTS to register as adult leaders to help out the pack. You don't have to be Den Leaders! You can be Committee Members. Use your natural talents to help your Pack and your Son(s) succeed!

Okay, swallow your humility for a moment while we discuss your barriers:

1) My work conflicts
-Are you telling me, you work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?! If you do work during Den Meetings, then Committee Member is just for you. OR, if it's between you being Den Leader and the Den Folding due to lack of leadership, when are you free? The meeting times are not set in stone.

2) I can't afford it
-I know, it sucks being broke. I'm not going to get in to how you do spend your money, but I'm sure if you swallow your pride and ask the committee for help, they WILL because they need a good leader. Will your support be a good investment versus the $10 dues and maybe an "experienced" shirt they may provide? I think so. The Scout Gives Goodwill.

3) I don't know anything about scouts
-POPPYCOCK! Do you think ANY of the other parents knew all there is to know about their positions? BSA does a god job of training adult leaders. Fast Start and youth protection is online, now; and specific training is offered quite frequently by your districts, surrounding districts, and your council.

4) I just don't have the time
-I know... I cherish my free time, too. One of the best things about scouts is, doing something worthwhile with your son. Do you play video games with him? Does he go to the pub or to the gym with you? If you already have great leadership, become a Committee Member or Assistant Den Leader to help out ONCE IN A WHILE or to pinch hit if your leader comes ill, or his job calls him back into work. What?!? Do you mean my Den Leader has a job, too?

5) What else?
-Do you really think the other adult leaders have all of the free time in the world? That we're rich, and must not have a real job? We have to juggle our schedules around, do without some luxury items to afford expenses, and work voluntary overtime to make up or the time lost administering our scout programs.

Spend time with your Son! Do you want to have fun with your Son? Learn things, together? Regardless of what I've said, above, I have just as much fun as a Cub Scout Leader than my Cub Scouts do. If your son's already a scout, then come along for the ride! :)

Den5Pack457
11-18-2007, 02:30 PM
Okay, I voted for Den Leader for three main reasons. 1) I want to volunteer at the tactical level, were the action is. 2) I really want to follow my boys through to Arrow of Light, as long as I'm here of course. 3) I don't want to change my patches. :)

Den5Pack457
12-23-2007, 02:00 PM
Parents, were are you? We need you! :)

ccjj
12-25-2007, 03:04 PM
Seeing as my son is no longer in the pack, I voted on the committee chair position. My son has been out of cubs since December 2000. I haven't left yet. Since he has been out, I have been a Webelos leader, a Tiger leader, and the Cubmaster. Now I am the committee chair, and on my way out. Hopefully, within the next year or so, I will be done with the pack. Not that I don't like it, but it is time.

The pack I am with, is having trouble getting parents to step up. We have 15 boys, but only 3 parents are leaders. I am the CC, the CM doesn't have a boy in the pack either. Her son crossed over last year, and her youngest won't be a Tiger until next year.

ccjj

Den5Pack457
12-26-2007, 02:59 PM
Thanks so much for staying at the Pack, as well as your CM. Fortunately for me, about the time my Tiger crosses over, his little brother will becoming a Tiger. So, I'll be in a Troop, Pack, and Crew all at the same time most likely.

I guess I'll either invest in more shirts or get velcro duty position patches affixed. :)

Frogman
06-02-2008, 12:58 AM
My wife and I started out Last year as the ADL's for the Tiger den. The Dl fromt he get go did nothing and we ( Wife and I) took over running things. The problem we ran into is that sence the Dl of record wasnt involved we couldn't get our boys rank advancement (Bobcat) till three monthes after they earned them. In January when the Pack started to select leaders for our new year ( Which runs May 1 to April 30 ) My wife and I stepped up and decided to go at the Tiger Den leadership for another year. ( Mostly due to the fact that our next boy in the family was comeing in as a Tiger and he has ADHD) I will continue to be a Leader for my sons units (and Daughter's GS Troops') as long as I still have one in scouts. Which will be the largerest part of the next 25 years or so. So I feel you Den5Pack457 when you say it is either invest in new shirt, ( Which I would have to get at the local thrift shop) or invest in velcro to slap on the patches. <---- This was actualy done by my father when My brother and I were in scouts, as well as a my former scoutmaster.

I see NO reason why parents can't be involved, I am the father of 7 kids with one due anyday. ( Yes that makes 8 young-lings) I am also unemployed and still manage to get the supplies that my kids need for scouts.


SO PARENTS, Were do you stand with assisting your child in scouts. The time you spend now makes its mark. I can tell you now that some of the best times from my youth are those I spent at a scout outing with my parents.
So take the time to make time for you child's scout endevors it will mean worlds to them.

Regards:
Wiseman

Nuts4Scouts
06-02-2008, 04:32 PM
My wife and I started out Last year as the ADL's for the Tiger den. The Dl fromt he get go did nothing and we ( Wife and I) took over running things. The problem we ran into is that sence the Dl of record wasnt involved we couldn't get our boys rank advancement (Bobcat) till three monthes after they earned them.


I do not understand why it took 3 months to get the boys their Bobcat rank award. It does not matter that the den leader "of record" was uninvolved. You were the ADL ("of record") for the Tiger Den. Why didn't you simply let the CM and CC know the den leader was not doing his job, and give the Pack's Advancement Chair a list of boys who had earned Bobcat?

What about all of their other Tiger awards (Tiger Totem, Tiger Rank, Tiger Tracks)? Did they have to wait months for them too?

Frogman
06-02-2008, 10:35 PM
T^he CM and CC were informed and they brushed me off due to the DL in question being the spouce of the ACM. As for a Pack Advancement Chair we dont have one, each DL is expected to take care of their respected dens. When I found out this I took the paper work and went to the Scout shop to get the awards that the boys earn ( both their Totam and the Bobcat ranks) to be told that the pack didn't have me listed as an approved person to access the pack funds. In responce I paid out of my pocket and went to the CM and CC to get repaid for my expences to be told I would have to wait till the pack collected enough money to repay me. As foir the rest of the awards that the boys earned sence i got the bobcat and totam/tracks out of pocket they were handed out in the same meeting, which as i posted before was 3 monthes after the bobcat was earned and just under 4 monthes after they earned there totam. As for there tiger rank, the policy of the pack is that all of the boys are presented there ranks at a Graduation at the end of april/ begining of May as a group, instead of the pack meeting after completing them achivments. I have questioned this policy as has my wife and we took our concerns to the Dist. Exec. as well to be told that each unit decideds when they award the ranks in the unit.

Basicly at the graduation I handed each of the boys a bag of things that they earned and fun patches I wasnt 'allowed' to give them during the earn. This practice lost us 8 of 14 tigers durning the year and I feel needs to be stopped, but until the current CM and CC move up with there sons I will just have to hold fast and roll with it.

Regards:
Wiseman

Nuts4Scouts
06-03-2008, 12:35 PM
I have questioned this policy as has my wife and we took our concerns to the Dist. Exec. as well to be told that each unit decideds when they award the ranks in the unit.

Your DE is uninformed about BSA policy. In every BSA leader publication it is stressed that boys should get recognition as soon as possible after earning something.

Your Pack sounds like a mess. I would visit other Packs in your area. There must be a few that are running a good, BSA program. Find one that is, and switch units.

Frogman
06-03-2008, 06:36 PM
I have sent a formal letter to the Scout Exec fo the council and informed him ojf the issues I have. He contacted me today and informed me that he would be visiting us along witht he Dist. Com. and Dist Exec so that this issue could be clairified

Frank
06-04-2008, 09:35 PM
What the DE and commissioner will tell you is that BSA provides the program and training on how to use the program. They can answer questions, point you in the right direction, and offer support. However if the unit leaders opt to pick and choose the parts of the program they like, or add their own home-brew parts, there is little the district or council can do to stop it. They will tell you that it is the chartered organization that selects the unit leaders, and if the unit is not happy with it's leaders, they can select new ones that will follow the BSA program.

Frogman
06-07-2008, 06:35 PM
Just an update. My wife as also taken on the role of Advancement Chair as well as her current role of ADL of the Tiger Den. We have also taken on the role of being the pack's Public Relations contacts / Advisors. So our time has greatly increased due to these changes.

Regards:

Den5Pack457
08-10-2008, 11:20 AM
Frogman - Great to hear you and the wife are stepping up. A true scout family. :)

bigkid
09-03-2008, 05:17 PM
My oldest son is 22yrs. Durring his time in scouting I was on the Commitee. When he progressed with Boy Scouts I volunteered where needed including becoming a merit badge counciler.
Now my youngest is in Cub Scouts at 9yr. I'm Assitant Den Leader (with bad spelling still), still a merit badge counciler, will become his Weblo Leader and follow him straight through to Eagle. (fingers crossed) :D

Den5Pack457
09-04-2008, 11:35 AM
Wiseman/Frogman,

How did the meeting go with the Scout Exec and the like? Were they able to help?