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Den5Pack457
02-03-2008, 04:26 PM
As a parent and Den Leader of a Cub Scout diagnosed with severe attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD); I'm increasingly concerned and sensitive to how the scouting movement helps the ADHD child (interaction) and awareness of the other scouts on ways to deal with their behavior.

During weekly meetings, it isn't all that bad. Even on the few weekend activities we participate in, he's been noticed but not as bad as he was yesterday, at the first all day activity we've attended since Family Fun Day last May.

I used to think ADHD was a sham before I had a child who had it. I wasn't used to a child that wouldn't listen and would openly go out of his way to defy authority and cause trouble. Time outs, 1-2-3 Magic, nor even corporal punishment would work.

It took us five years to get him the treatement he needed. In Tennessee, it was "Boys will be Boys." We moved to Nebraska, and addressed his behavior to his Pediatrician, who in turn, refered him for testing and evaluation. That whole process took us a year. And, it's still on-going.

A class/methodology that really helped was "Common Sense Parenting" from Boys Town. So fortunate for us, one of the authors of the series was our instructor (benefit of living down the road from Boys Town). She was really good, especially at role playing, since she was a crisis counselor, house mother at the Boys Town Home for boys, and she had a son with Aspbergers and a step-son with autism. We learned a lot!

Okay, now with my laundry being aired, I'm really interested in hearing your accounts, stories, and advice on ways to help our scouts with behavior disorders succeed in scouts. And, educating the other scouts on ways to deal with our special needs scouts.

I've read several articles and point papers on this subject. But, they cannot substitute real accounts, triumphs, and even set-backs you have experienced in your packs and troops.

Thank You.

Nuts4Scouts
02-04-2008, 10:45 AM
BSA has a good training available for dealing with ADHD Scouts -

http://www.scouting.org/boyscouts/supplemental/pdf/ADHDTips.ppt

http://www.scouting.org/boyscouts/supplemental/pdf/ADHDTips.doc

Here are more hints for leaders with ADHD Scouts -

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/scouting/leader-hints/section-8.html

What works best is to involve the parent of the scout. They know what works for their son and what does not. Keeping the meeting moving with a variety of short, different activities, and keeping the sit down and keep still time to an absolute minimum helps too.

One thing that leaders have to come to terms with is that unless their meetings are during the day, the boy(s) are running on empty as far as meds go and their behavior will be erratic (depending on the meds, behavior could be VERY erratic). Having the parent at the meeting will help somewhat.

Dealing with these boys can be a challenge. Living with them is an even greater challenge! Dealing with adults who refuse to acknowledge that a disability even exists can be absolutely maddening!

Den5Pack457
02-07-2008, 11:47 PM
Great insight! Thanks so much.

Frogman
05-23-2008, 10:31 AM
One thing that leaders have to come to terms with is that unless their meetings are during the day, the boy(s) are running on empty as far as meds go and their behavior will be erratic (depending on the meds, behavior could be VERY erratic). Having the parent at the meeting will help somewhat.

Dealing with these boys can be a challenge. Living with them is an even greater challenge! Dealing with adults who refuse to acknowledge that a disability even exists can be absolutely maddening!

I agree whole heartedly with this comment. I suffer from ADHD as does one of my sons. That is why I have decided to take the role of Den Leader for his Den. The leadership of our pack is, unfortunatly , unwilling to learn about the disorder and how to handle a child with it. ( This is sad considering that one of the leaders is a teacher) I feel that ALL councils should have a training program that deals with special needs children.

Regards:

Den5Pack457
05-23-2008, 05:51 PM
Here Here! I'm so glad I logged in today to catch up.

Since my original post, my scout has been educational diagnosed with Autism, and we're waiting for the clinical diagnosis from the Doctors.

Everyone in my Pack knows he's autistic and most of them help. Some of the boys, especially the older boys, don't understand but they manage to ignore him.

In fact, we were at his first camp out last weekend, and an older boy from another Pack pushed him down as a joke. I didn't have to step in, the other boys from our Pack came to his aid. The parents commended me for keeping a level head about it.

Well, we have to keep a level head. Of course I wanted to go all Papa Bear over that other scout, but if I did resort to that the few times this happens, I'd be in jail by now.

It's worked well to ensure he's properly medicated whenever we're attending a scouting event. I learned the hard way in February during a 10-commandment walk, when I misplaced his bag of meds!

Frogman
05-26-2008, 02:08 AM
Den5Pack457 I agree keeping the meds in check helps and seems to be the easiest part. The problem comes when you have adults that seem to think that the a child's isn't disabled unless they are clearly so. ( IE... In wheelchair, braces, missing an arm or leg. ) This situation tends to set me off a bit due to the fact I have ADHD and I know the utter evil that my son could be dealing with.

I have over my years dealt with people that look down at me due to my disability but I have learned to ignore and overcome. The key to it is support, weither it be from family, friends, or that one person out there that knows you have the potintal to be what ever you put your mind to( wiether or not you can see it yet)

Due to my situation I have turned to educating others on disorders such as ADD/ADHD, after all knowledge is power. So I offer up my prayers to you and your family.

Regards:
Frogman

PS: I went on to become an Eagle scout as well as my troop's OA rep. Now I am the Den leader for the pack that my sons are members of.

insanescouter
05-30-2008, 01:46 AM
If you have not done so already I highly suggest you listen to Leaders Campfire show #44. Which can be found at http://www.ptcmedia.net/2008/03/26/the-leaders-campfire-44/

Scott Robertson
http://insanescouter.org

Den5Pack457
08-13-2008, 09:10 PM
Great points. I'm going to check out the campfire show once I get to a high speed connection. Thanks Scott.